tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post7522644659590408442..comments2023-05-10T08:55:47.701-07:00Comments on Richard Carrier Blogs: Appearing in SpringfieldRichard Carrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17577206926510030146noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-24716610533491847252011-02-16T09:31:54.270-08:002011-02-16T09:31:54.270-08:00Update: video of my talk at this event has subsequ...<b>Update: video of my talk at this event has subsequently become available online (see <a href="http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/2008/11/hambone-videos.html" rel="nofollow">Hambone Videos</a>). A link is also available there to view the accompanying slideshow.</b>Richard Carrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577206926510030146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-73970092994372049382008-12-11T19:15:00.000-08:002008-12-11T19:15:00.000-08:00unBeguiled said... These guys are presuppositiona...<B>unBeguiled said... </B> <I>These guys are presuppositionalists, so want to claim that their faith in the Bible is just like my "faith" in my own senses.</I><BR/><BR/>Even if that were so, what good does it do them? Can they build a radio or send a man to the moon or cure someone's cancer with their faith, or yours? If everyone's just sitting on faith, then the only proof left is in the puddingRichard Carrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577206926510030146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-51215277535092713932008-11-03T15:15:00.000-08:002008-11-03T15:15:00.000-08:00Thanks, I will check out those resources. By begg...Thanks, I will check out those resources. <BR/><BR/>By begging the question they mean that I'm assuming that empiricism works to show that empiricism works. As soon as I point to some accomplishment of science, then I am in a sense using science to prove science.<BR/><BR/>These guys are presuppositionalists, so want to claim that their faith in the Bible is just like my "faith" in my own sensesGarageDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399828220100913111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-61766949987876699102008-11-03T10:50:00.000-08:002008-11-03T10:50:00.000-08:00unBeguiled said... I have been challenged by apolo...<B>unBeguiled said...</B> <I>I have been challenged by apologists that all scientific reasoning is circular and therefor fallacious.</I><BR/><BR/>Just FYI, tautologies are not inherently fallacious (in fact, they are inherently valid). It's only when they are used a certain way that a fallacy results--so you would need them to present a more formal description of where the fallacy lies.<BR/><BR/>Richard Carrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577206926510030146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-33852112177661001852008-11-02T21:28:00.000-08:002008-11-02T21:28:00.000-08:00I just watched this lecture on youtube. Good job....I just watched this lecture on youtube. Good job.<BR/><BR/>I have a question.<BR/><BR/>I have been challenged by apologists that all scientific reasoning is circular and therefor fallacious. For example, you cannot point to the fruits of science to justify empiricism without begging the question.<BR/><BR/>I have developed my own response to this challenge, but I'm wondering how you would handleGarageDragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399828220100913111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-92198379971235863282008-10-17T17:47:00.000-07:002008-10-17T17:47:00.000-07:00AIGBusted said... ...can I read any excerpts from ...<B>AIGBusted said...</B> <I>...can I read any excerpts from your book online?</I> <BR/><BR/>The only direct section sample is the rather brief and generic one at the <A HREF="http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~26766.aspx" REL="nofollow">publisher's site</A>. Though the book has some sections based on various of my past articles online, even that material has been rewritten, soRichard Carrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577206926510030146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-47316231914832639572008-10-12T13:17:00.000-07:002008-10-12T13:17:00.000-07:00Evil is when a conscious agent causes unnecessary ...Evil is when a conscious agent causes unnecessary harm to another conscious agent or agents. Rape surely qulaifies as this.<BR/><BR/>And yes, the evopsychs may be wrong, but there are lots of examples of evil in nature. Darwin gave a good one with the Ichneumon wasps.AIGBustedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03232781356086767207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-32636431983444460152008-10-11T00:53:00.000-07:002008-10-11T00:53:00.000-07:00Aigbusted: rape is a bad thing but why need to cal...Aigbusted: rape is a bad thing but why need to call it evil? Why not rest with 'serious crime'? I think your initial question should be "Why do we do things against others?".<BR/><BR/>Rape could be a case-by-case motivation. It could be sociological, too.<BR/><BR/>In any case I'm not happy with evo-psych. Sounds like another trite cult to me. But I need to look into it more.Pikemann Urgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02587558012877707537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-35582832896352217912008-10-11T00:39:00.000-07:002008-10-11T00:39:00.000-07:00To give an example: Some evolutionary psychologist...To give an example: Some evolutionary psychologists think that some men have evolved an instinct to rape in order to leave behind more offspring. <BR/><BR/>To give another example: What about people born with strong tendencies to murder?AIGBustedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03232781356086767207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-75580539285662707472008-10-09T23:29:00.000-07:002008-10-09T23:29:00.000-07:00Evil in nature - let me try! ;-) I'm not sure that...Evil in nature - let me try! ;-) I'm not sure that evil is a natural thing. It seems to be an invention rather than a discovery. You didn't provide an example so I could be way off.Pikemann Urgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02587558012877707537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-51881425208093739952008-10-09T23:03:00.000-07:002008-10-09T23:03:00.000-07:00My mistake. I meant the naturalistic fallacy but s...My mistake. I meant the naturalistic fallacy but said genetic instead for some reason.<BR/><BR/>Just out of curiosity, does your book address the following question: What about the evil found in nature?<BR/><BR/>Finally, can I read any excerpts from your book online?AIGBustedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03232781356086767207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-48529721238502960072008-10-09T10:35:00.000-07:002008-10-09T10:35:00.000-07:00The Naturalistic Fallacy, like most fallacies, isn...The Naturalistic Fallacy, like most fallacies, isn't always a fallacy. For example, an Argument from Authority <I>can</I> be valid. Only under certain conditions is it fallacious. Likewise, a Naturalistic Fallacy is only committed when one derives an <I>ought</I> from an <I>is</I> through a <I>non sequitur</I> (the same can be shown for Argument from Authority). I'll be demonstrating that an "Richard Carrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577206926510030146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-74349376868446486092008-10-09T00:37:00.000-07:002008-10-09T00:37:00.000-07:00I was under the impression that we, human beings, ...I was under the impression that we, human beings, made morality. It's what's in our heads and hearts.<BR/><BR/>Some folks give religion credit to bolster their tightly-held worldview. Of course this credit is not deserved.<BR/><BR/>Genetic and naturalistic fallacies are interesting, but I'm not sure they are relevant here. Unless I'm missing something?Pikemann Urgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02587558012877707537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-7480682533676115062008-10-07T20:42:00.000-07:002008-10-07T20:42:00.000-07:00I sure wish you would come to Australia sometime R...I sure wish you would come to Australia sometime R C. Keep up the good work. Can we get this event on DVD sometime?CJunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15731190059175789376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-91264197599152193282008-10-07T07:50:00.000-07:002008-10-07T07:50:00.000-07:00Sorry if I implied that Richard Carrier actually b...Sorry if I implied that Richard Carrier actually believed that one can deduce an ought from an is. I should have added "if that is what he is advocating."Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984896453534621864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-41600961232608495252008-10-05T22:00:00.000-07:002008-10-05T22:00:00.000-07:00AIGBusted, the appropriate fallacy here is the "na...AIGBusted, the appropriate fallacy here is the "naturalistic fallacy", deducing an ought from an is.<BR/><BR/>But Richard Carrier may be claiming that it isn't always a fallacy, and it will be interesting to see how he hopes to demonstrate that.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984896453534621864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-62635291277640243012008-10-04T23:09:00.000-07:002008-10-04T23:09:00.000-07:00How do you derive morality from facts about the un...How do you derive morality from facts about the universe without committing the genetic fallacy?AIGBustedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03232781356086767207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-120231808427448092008-10-04T04:01:00.000-07:002008-10-04T04:01:00.000-07:00Ramen!Ramen!Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14479224236264150172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-69723495181443844562008-10-03T17:53:00.000-07:002008-10-03T17:53:00.000-07:00We're looking forward to having you, Dr. Carrier.J...We're looking forward to having you, Dr. Carrier.<BR/><BR/>JTJT Eberhardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11120693558809363664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36959219.post-75841053007711636262008-10-03T12:24:00.000-07:002008-10-03T12:24:00.000-07:00wahoo! I'm looking forward to attending!wahoo! I'm looking forward to attending!Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13666102861045517530noreply@blogger.com